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Post by Admin on Dec 12, 2007 11:25:37 GMT
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Post by Vas deFerens on Jan 11, 2008 23:24:45 GMT
yes
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Post by Madhatter on Jan 15, 2008 18:20:42 GMT
Yes you'll become a free hotspot? What is a hotspot not?
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Post by Vas deFerens on Jan 16, 2008 1:58:41 GMT
Wireless should be free and i do not lock my wifi so my friends can use their games but we all pay and i just set it up
i do not understand the what is a hotspot not but my wifi can be used for all
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Post by Madhatter on Jan 16, 2008 2:52:16 GMT
Did you never watch the quiz show hosted by Michael Barrymore, top middle or bottom, cant remember the name of it. but you used to certain screens that were hotspots.
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Post by Madhatter on Jan 16, 2008 2:54:59 GMT
Of course, the problem with leaving your wifi open like that is that when i come along and log on to ebay etc through your wifi , your account comes up if you've stayed logged in.
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Post by Vas deFerens on Jan 16, 2008 21:02:56 GMT
you need to learn more about computers
i am a novice but i know that doesnt happen when you go through the same wifi with different computers cookies are only on your computer with all of the log in details
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Post by Vas deFerens on Jan 16, 2008 21:42:25 GMT
I have googled the name Michael Barrymore and I do not want to watch any of his shows i know wikipedia is not always the truth but how do people like this get famous and get on tv
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Post by Madhatter on Jan 19, 2008 17:01:02 GMT
I think it's when you tell a site to remember log in details, I'm not sure how that works but My mate piggybacks on peoples wifi using his phone, he logs on to ebay and their account comes up. I've actually seen it.
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Post by Vas deFerens on Jan 19, 2008 19:24:23 GMT
youre friend is a criminal if he is using someonelses wifi without permission
he will be using a application that captures cookies from someones computer then using that to access there account which is wrong
why dont you ask him if what he is doing is wrong and choose youre friends more carefully
after all you have a high moralness about people taking things from others such as travel tokens (i have read your forum messages) you should tell your friend to stop
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Post by Vas deFerens on Jan 27, 2008 0:05:15 GMT
have you asked your friend if he is breaking the law i have asked someone who says that you can only get someones ebay account if your using wifi by hacking
otherwise he says tell ebay about the problem and they would probably pay you for telling them about this hole in there security
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Post by Madhatter on Jan 27, 2008 12:25:38 GMT
I'm not sure if he's criminal, we all know it's wrong to take things that aren't ours without permission, we all do now and again though, does picking a penny up in the street and keeping it hoping it will bring us luck make us criminals. If someone leaves their wifi open and he walks by and his phone connects, yes I suppose it's wrong if he uses it to download but I don't think it makes him a criminal.
I must have been mistaken if he needs to do that because he has neither the knowledge or interest in other peoples accounts.
I'll ask next time I see him how it came about, the way I understood it was that he scans for available networks using the phones inbuilt modem and when it finds one it asks if he wants to connect. When he did it came up with this persons ebay account.
I never thought it through until you said about cookies, i've never used other peoples wifi so don't know how it works.
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Post by Vas deFerens on Jan 27, 2008 19:22:04 GMT
using some body elses wifi without permissoin makes him a criminal - google it and see - there have been arrests in UK www.myhotspots.co.uk/2007/08/man-arrested-for-using-unsecured-wifi.htmlas for downloading using someone elses wifi what if he uses there wifi to access child porn and the owner gets the blame - is that ok people say that you should lock your wifi with a password and i agree but you should also lock your front door if you are in a rush one day and forget to lock your door am i ok to go in your house uninvited - no i would be very interested to hear what your friend says
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Post by Madhatter on Jan 27, 2008 22:03:34 GMT
If I go into your house, door open, and get a drink of water from your unmetered water supply, would I get arrested and charged? I've not broke in, I'm just trespassing, and I've not really stollen anything from you, i'm stealing water from severn trent because you pay for you to ise their water, I haven't paid. Severn trent have no proof that I'd even drank the water and wouldn't bother with such a small insignificant loss.
Anyway, broadband appears to be different,
It breaches an act, which I didn't know, and I doubt many people know. I've never needed to log on to anyone elses internet wifi connection, I haven't got a lap top and if iI bid on ebay while im away I use my phone, If I need to check an address I use my phone again, I've got google maps on it. I mean use my phone via wap which I pay for. I can access here on it too. Not sure if I can reply or moderate but I've used it to check the events section. BUT if I did have a laptop or internet enabled phone, would I use other peoples internet for free? well I don't think I would, because it feels somewhat sneaky to me. I know some don't mind people using it, I certainly wouldn't, apart from the fact that people could use it for downloading illegal porn and I wouldn't know for sure they're not so yes I do mind.
The quote does bring this thread back on topic though, if using someone else's wifi without permission is illegal how do we know which is a free hot spot and someone's unlocked wifi.
Mc donalds do free wifi, and if you've read threads you'll know I visit mc d's a lot, they're handy places, open late, easy to find in every town over 10000 population, often in the middle of nowhere like the Nuneaton drive through and often stumbled across, they've got toilets hand washing facilities a reasonable priced cup of tea and now this free wifi. I heard they did have problems with the security of it. I did read up on it in store recently and what you have to do now is set up an account to log on. It may not be 100% traceable but it seems far better than just scanning for a signal and connecting straight away.
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Post by Vas deFerens on Jan 29, 2008 0:50:33 GMT
that is a rubbish example - why? 'just trespassing' - oh thats allright then madhatter
doesnt matter whether you just had a drink of water or took my tv - the trespassing is the thing you did wrong
ok - perhaps your nan has a computer - to email you, for skype or whatever and someone uses her wifi to download a mp3 - so what - who cares no harm done
but then someone parks outside looking for wifi access just to show off to there mate they can download a terrorist handbook or explosive cookbook from a p2p site or worse the person is looking for anonimous access and goes to extreme websites uploading propaganda videos against the Uk
whoops - someone in goverment is tracing that ip address that is used and a couple of officers knock the door at 5 in the morning
most people dont know how to set up wifi securely but does that mean they should be taken advantage of - no
it is illegal to use someones private wifi without permission no matter what you do with it - its not yours - its like trespassing
Back ontopic A free wifi hotspot could be great in atherstone - imagine - bringing life to the market square with business people tempted out by the sunny warm weather and the dozends of tables chairs outside all the bookshops and delis pubs and coffee shops - the place could be buzzing
but with people like your friend snooping around would you want your bank/ employer/ council staff member checking personal and private details over a free wifi connection?
take those people out of the equasion and what would a free wifi connection really be useful for - to stop off the A5 to check cinema times for tamworth or nuneaton - then use google maps to get back on the A5
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