Aldi plans, building, opening and the town council

[Madhatter]

Consequences of internet abuse - to all members (currently 62 views)
dpickard Posted on: July 10th, 2006, 1:58pm

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I am posting the following, on advice, quite reluctantly. It is really not acceptable generally, nor legally for people to behave as if their nom de plume excludes them from decent behaviour in public internet correspondence.

Everybody needs to understand that published material is archived and is traceable. This is for the specific purpose of facilitating any criminal or civil action arising from it.

I have seen enough now to convince me and my advisors that what follows is my only reasonable course of action:-

“ Quoted from ohdear, posted July 9th, 2006, 5:47pm at here ”
Weird threads on this forum start out praising Aldi, then, suddenly, it's not teh bees knees, it's just ok.

So you backed it only as a private individual dpickard. You didn't back it as a councillor, you objected to it.

Put like a true councillor es.





I think that everybody here, specifically including the individual named below, should know that Madhatter, Ohdear via Firefox (known personally to me and other members of this board in Atherstone) is operating in a way that invites his reading public to conclude adversely on the motives or actions of myself as a public figure.

The result is that he faces a real risk of civil action brought by me on the nature and effects of his various utterances here and elsewhere with reference to my impeccable record in public service through any of the past 12 years.

If there is something illicit in me publicly specifying approval for any project, as a result of talking to the very people who placed their votes for me over the last 12 years at Atherstone Town Council, perhaps this person, however styled, might say what that is.

Since Atherstone Town Council, my parent authority, neither has power nor responsibility than to do anything but comment on, but not to block fruition of any planning or related request (that power belonging in public service law to NWBC) his remarks are quite improper. Utterances to the contrary, even if possibly based on an inadequate appreciation of either the system or my role within it are neither defensible in law nor courteous in common behaviour.

His comments although unwarranted in fact are potentially damaging to me in both my private and public lives.

If there is the slightest whiff of any behaviour that can be regarded as impropriety on the part of any elected Atherstone Town Council member, then I wish that he would introduce that matter to the NWBC senior Law officer (and designated local monitor of Standards in Public Service) Mr Peter Oliver. Mr Oliver will then be able to take all appropriate action. That is every citizen's right. However,if there is no such intention on the above-mentioned person's part, then he should desist from any further comment.

If, though this individual (aka Madhatter, Ohdear - Firefox) - or anybody connected with him continues unwanted intrusion into the Atherstone-Online webspace or elsewhere and persists in the way described above, I shall regard it as specific, mischievous, disruptive behaviour with vexatious malice as its only motive.

I will treat it all therefore, as a deliberate campaign to discredit or to slur me.

Derek Pickard

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I will take it as a slur if you don't stop saying that I am firefox pickard, the ip addresses are different, not that you have access to them anyway, it's only in your head that that you think I'm am firefox. You've not offered any evidence to back up your slurs.

As for the Aldi plans. When a councillor views the plans he/she has an opportunity to comment. Comments can object completely, be in favour of completely or recommend changes.
The fact that those changes are viewed as comments by the planning department does not mean that those comments do not get took into consideration when the planning department passes the plans, recommends changes or refuses completely, Likewise, as they are only comments it does not mean that they will be took into consideration.

you approve of them as an individual on a public forum, this entitles me to comment on your comments on a public forum.

As a local councillor your comments, for, against , or for changes should NOT be hidden from the public. Therefore it should not be an issue if I ask what your comments were as a councillor. A local councillor should be accountable for his/her decisions, and as votes for the next elections are based partly on actions during this term, my comments are warranted.
There is no reason to ask for posts to be deleted. If you thought the post could be taken by people as saying that you personally have a power to pass or refuse an application then you should point out that you think thats how it could be taken, and point out that you can't. Not ask for posts to be deleted like I'm making wrong accusations.
I never intended any post to imply that though. I know that town council does not pass or refuse planning applications, and as far as I know have never said that they do.
What I have said is that town council can approve of, or disapprove of or recommend change to, or,in whatever words I used at the time, planning applications put before the planning committee of the town council. Therefore you had a chance to comment on the plans, and list anything that you thought should be changed.
I don't know specifically if you objected as a councillor, but you certainly don't as a member of the public, or haven't said that you do. Infact you've openly said that as a member of the public you think the plans are great.
Up until I read your comments on Atherstone online I never considered that a councillor would have a different opinion of something as a member of the public, because that to me is wrong.

ALSO me suggesting that you've got double standards, that is you approve as a member of the public, but not as a councillor, if thats what you did, does not mean I'm saying your involved in illicit activities . I've never to the best of my knowledge said that your involved in any illicitness, or corruption.


So therefore the above statement suggesting that is in fact a slur on me and you should therefore delete it.

I think the above statement and asking for posts to be deleted is doing you far more harm than anything I've written.

The above question still stands, did you have any objectionable opinions of the Aldi plans, specifically the design of the building and the alley entrance to long street, as an elected town councillor.

If you didn't just say so, if you did just say so


advisors should be advisor's

[JoshBaskin]

Mad she's still waiting for her vodka. Being around you god help her she'll need it .
How do you think Aldi is shaping up then?, is it feeding the peasants of Atherstone? how many times has Eddie entered the establishment? Have they actually got any edible food for sale yet or is it still own brand junk?.

[Madhatter]

Pickards libelous slurs are still on the site that he frequents, so are turners slurs that one of his members have been cutting and pasting posts here, with no name to back up the slurs.
Very sad.

[Madhatter]

I got your vodka Jolene, but after the Aldi experience I had to drink it myself, sorry.

Aldi opened as per plan, with all the fake pomp that a cheap German supermarket usually has these days, band, cutting a ribbon, the town mayors presence, give aways etc.

The new Aldi store, day before the grand opening

The car park was full, the store was full, people seemed happy with it, although a lot couldn't find a space and went to the co-op.

Aldi customers on opening day

I wasn't impressed in fact I was disappointed to be honest, they still mainly sell cheap versions of brand name goods in packaging that looks very similar to the brand name goods.
I believe in you get what you pay for.

Beans means Premium

It's a big store well laid out, well stocked and very clean.

I've been in since it opened with my Nan. I still wasn't impressed, Nan said it's 'OK', but then I think most pensioners only think it's 'OK' as they're used to seeing branded products.

3 Months and 1 Week before opening

[Madhatter]

I thought reports were a little confused, I wasn't actually at the opening, so I had to rely on reports from else where, some of which listed ruby, town mayoress, as opening the store, so listed some unknown to me football man from the adders as opening it.

Well seems it was the footbal guy because this has appeared on atherstone organised along with other comments....

Aldi Opening Snub Allegation
The recent opening of The Aldi Superstore in Atherstone has left behind it a sour taste with Town Mayor Ruby Chambers and other members of the council. Ruby was originally invited by Aldi’s PR Company to be involved in the opening. “On the day before, I was advised that they did not want councillors involved but in fact preferred the top goal scorer of Atherstone football club to perform the ceremony. I was in fact asked not to attend.”

www.atherstone.org.uk/aldi-opening-snub-allegation.html#more-986

I think it's disgusting that Aldi has treated out town mayor in such a way, and shows just what Aldi really think of the town, the council and the people living here. Aldi should be ashamed.
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Ruby working hard helping to plant the towns flower tubs up, shame on you Aldi

I do hope you're going to make a most generous donation to this years christmas light fund to make up for it Aldi. Also we need sponsors for next years flowers.

Also you may want to replace the dead trees in the middle of your car park.

I did notice one of the comment on the site, from councilor freer....

Supported Planning application
Cllr. Richard Freer summed up the council’s feelings by saying, “Aldi have not done themselves any favours, and this council was the authority who supported their planning application when the Borough threw it out.”

Now I don't know if thats a mis quote in posting that, but It's been made quite clear to me with threats of legal action, that the council can not do anything other than comment on plans. I have only ever said the same as the above, that they supported the plans, and when that was stated as being incorect I asked if he objected to the plans as a councillor, which is something a councillor can do in the same way as an individual can. d pickards legal threats and slurs remain on the site.

Well done to richard freer for saying it.

[Madhatter]

As it was the Mayoress, and she's elderly, and does a great deal for this town, I think she deserves a little more respect and Aldi should explain why this has happened and apologise to Ruby, the full town council and the town. As for discussing it at town council meeting, of course it should be, it was a mayoral engagment, it's normal to ask how these things go, and this didn't go well. The meetings are public, as they should be, and as this discusion should be. Anything that isn't is kept to private and confidential.